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in the united states at risk, so we can cut medicare. that just won't happen. >> that's what people are betting on. >> that's exactly what republicans are betting on. we went to the well. we let the president get what he wanted on the fiscal cliff. but when it comes to the debt ceiling, he's going to have to cough up some spending cuts and they are saying they are prepared to go to the brink on this even if it means, you know, questioning the full faith and credit of the american government. >> but, yeah -- >> look, the republicans need to wake up and get real. we're the only country on earth that has a debt ceiling limit. ultimately as part of a grand bargain we ought to get rid of it and we ought to substitute statutory budget controls and the constitutional credit cart limit, the gdp but in the interim if the republicans wasn't to use leverage they ought to use it on the sequester and continuing resolution. >> right on the heels -- >> we should not allow this to become thought of as a legitimate or normal budget strategy. this is hostage-taking. this is saying walk into a room saying i've go
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